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Women in Postcards

Clare

I'm very interested in the way that women are presented throughout the
novel.  At first it seems that they are downtrodden and very much the
underclass but the more you look at their individual presentation you
see Proulx presenting them in positions of strength and it seems to me
that the position strengthens as we move through time in the novel.  Do
you remember we talked about character and story-line being the 'hooks'
for both of us at the end of term?  Well I think I am finding that hook
in 'women' and their development rather than in an individual woman.  It
seems to me that strength of character and determination seem rooted in
the choices that women make whilst corruption, violence and crime seem
to characterise the men.  What do you think?

4 Apr 2008 15:21
Women in Postcards

Anonymous

Despite my absolute hatred for Loyal and the majority of men within Postcards, I do feel you have down played the male themes. For instance, as you rightly said Women do indeed get stronger and more independent as the novel unfolds, and in turn men get weaker. We do see a certain vulnerability and almost sentiment in Loyal, -much like the sorrow I feel for Toot(?) when he becomes impotent, because not only are his organs affected, but his emotions which in turn restrict him from living day to day life- especially when he is talking and or thinking about Billy  (a woman). Therefore I feel the characterisation of men is far deeper than face value. And, in response to your point, 'women are in positions of strength', even though Billy is dead - a weak and unmanageable position- she still has power and lives through Loyal, thus supporting your previous point. Also, this vulnerability men show doesn't make us (me) feel absolute empathy towards them, simply because the women have been so incredibly downtrodden in the beginning (so maybe it is a moral story, women triumph?). And going even further on that point, could you say it was slightly feminist? Much like The Color purple where Celie sets up her own business selling pants, and prevails over her sordid past, finally living an interpretation of the American Dream.

I don't feel the women have that many 'choices' to make through the course of the novel, I can only think of Jewel actively wanting to learn to drive. So I don't feel it is through their own choices that strengthen their character, which maybe this fact alone causes us to feel sympathy as they have limited options to think and feel freely. Thus defining the definition between men and women is the opportunities of liberation they encounter -Just throwing ideas about. What makes women victorious is the way they compose themselves in difficult situations which delineates them as the strong characters they become.

JB

7 Apr 2008 14:43
Women in Postcards

Anonymous
Actually I did find 'women' an interesting theme in Postcards and I do see the 'hook' in the theme, because women do develop and there is some kind of flow of the theme in the novel. I agree that corruption and violence characterise men, especially as it seems that men can't endure their circumstances (usually self-inflicted), which is why some of them commit suicide (Toot, Mink), and they end up being the 'weak' ones, whilst women survive and become stronger, and are able to adapt to their changing circumstances (Jewell learns to drive, gets a job, and starts a new life after Mink's suicide; Billy wanted to escape from the farm life and become something else; Mernelle finds a life outside the tragedy of her family with Ray; Pala has ambition and is successful in her job despite the ethnic and gender prejudices of Am.soc, "Mrs. N" learns to live with his husband and is patient even when he threatens her with death before he commits suicide, even Myrtle was above difficulties and complications by encouraging Dub to get a prosthesis and get a job). And it is men who get involved in crime (Mink, Loyal, Dub...)
Women do develop from being downtrodden, because we begin with Billy's [r-a-p-e] and accidental murder (a man, Loyal, imposing himself through his masculity on the female, Billy), Jewell opressed by Mink, Pala oppressed by society (looking for a job) etc., but they develop, adapt, become stronger, we could say even Billy becomes strong by affecting Loyal's life completely and forever, she ends up being the 'powerful' one, who affects him, he is the 'weak' one who has to submit to the punishment of murdering her. 
 
I think the good thing about this theme is that it can be easily linked to the Color Purple!
16 Apr 2008 22:04